From: ljpazs@terra.com.pe
To: lwdb1208@yahoo.com; alexander.grobman@gmail.com
CC: agronegociosenperu@googlegroups.com; cfquiros@ucdavis.edu; jfavre@redondos.com.pe
Subject: [GA] RE: ¿Puede la ciencia eliminar la hambruna?
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 23:01:20 -0500
Luis:
Parece que hay científicos de mayor prestigio que todos nosotros juntos que ya investigaron y demostraron que no hay nada peor que el consumo de carne de vacuno para la sociedad y su futuro. Es nada menos que R.K. Pachaura, Chairman de los 1500 científicos de todo el mundo que estudian el cambio climático. Tiene muchos argumentos en contra del consumo de carne de vacuno. Adjunto el power point donde demuestra por qué hay que evitar el consumo de carne de vacuno: por el consumo de agua, por la contaminación, por la salud, porque se requiere 10 kilos de granos para producir un kilo de carne de vacuno, etc. También los científicos tienen puntos de vista diferentes y mucho depende de cómo y qué investigan.
Lucho Paz
De: lwdb1208@yahoo.com [mailto:lwdb1208@yahoo.com]
Enviado el: lunes, 10 de septiembre de 2012 04:25 p.m.
Para: Alexander Grobman
CC: Agronegocios Google Groups; CARLOS QUIROS; Julio Favre Carranza; Luis Paz
Asunto: Re: ¿Puede la ciencia eliminar la hambruna?
Alex:
Las fantasias que mencionas estan escritas de manera sarcastica. En ningun momento propone reducir el consumo de carne ni el numero de bocas que alimentar. Las menciona para resaltar el absurdo de proponerlas.
Yo si he conocido a personas aqui en el Peru que proponen que dejemos de comer carne y que nos convirtamos en vegetarianos como solucion del problema de produccion de alimentos
Saludos
Luis
Luis De Stefano Beltrán, Ph.D.
Universidad Peruana Cayetano Heredia
Av Honorio Delgado 430
Lima 31, Perú
E-mail: luis.destefano@upch.pe
Skype: ludes1982
Twitter: @LuisDeStefano
From: Alexander Grobman <alexander.grobman@gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: ¿Puede la ciencia eliminar la hambruna?
Este artículo trae varios errores y un acierto básico que debo señalar:
1. Norman Borlaug, realizó un trabajo extraordinario de mejoramiento genético con los trigos semi-enanos en el CIMMYT en México pero no fue el único. Se le reconoce en nombre de todos en el Premio Nobel. No trabajó ni en arroz ni en maíz ni en otras tecnologías como pretende el artículo.
2. La decisión de EE.UU. de usar sus enormes excedentes de maíz para producir etanol ha tenido varios efectos importantes para ellos; se volvieron los primeros productores mundiales de etanol reduciendo sus gastos en importación de petróleo de zonas álgidas, redujeron sus excedentes de maíz, elevaron los precios favoreciendo a sus agricultores con un trasvase de dinero del sector urbano al rural, de paso ayudando con los precios a los demás productores maiceros en el resto del mundo, y todo ello sin dejar de abastecer a su mercado interno y sin reducir el volumen de exportaciones de maíz. Todos ganaron menos los consumidores que habían tenido – como lo dice el artículo – una farra de precios bajos por muchos años a expensas de los productores. En términos económicos se sinceraron los precios y se balancearon mejor los "terms of trade" (términos de intercambio) entre la ciudad y el campo.
3. No sé de donde saque sus datos el autor del artículo pero la producción de etanol no es "sucia". La energía que entra es menor que la energía que sale; ese balance energético es para el maíz de 1:1.63; para la caña de azúcar es de 1: 8.00; para el sorgo dulce es de 1:15.00. Todos estos cultivos son tipo C4 y capturan más CO2 que otros cultivos. Además el etanol obtenido no produce contaminantes atmosféricos como el CO y NO2 como la gasolina ni SO2 como el diesel y es una energía renovable.
4. Habla de fantasías como las de reducir el consumo de carne a la mitad. ¿Cómo supliríamos nuestro déficit de proteína si dejamos de producir los pollos, leche, huevos, quesos y carne que forman parte de nuestra dieta. ¿Será eso hecho por decretos?
5. En lo que sí está muy claro el articulista es en que si la tormenta que se avecina en cuanto a disponibilidad de alimentos ha de ser evitada, hay que recurrir a la tecnología…y ahora mismo. Esperar es comenzar muy tarde y dejar que la tormenta nos alcance.
Alexander Grobman
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 3:27 PM, <lwdb1208@yahoo.com> wrote:
Estimados:
Otro interesante articulo, esta vez publicado en el periodico Independent de Irlanda
que trata de recordarnos que si hemos sobrevivido hasta ahora la amenaza del hambre se debe a la Ciencia. Algo que no podemos darnos el lujo de olvidar especialmente en estos dias.
Saludos
Luis
PD. Siento sana envidia que este tipo de temas se debatan de manera publica en los periodicos. Excelente rol de los medios britanicos.
Michael Hanlon: Can science eliminate famine
Wednesday September 05 2012
The storm is coming. One of the great dependables of modern life -- cheap food -- may be about to disappear. If a growing number of economists and scientists are to be believed, we are witnessing a historic transition: from an era when the basics of life have been getting ever more affordable, to a new period when they are ever more expensive.
For those of us in the affluent West, the severity of the situation is not yet fully apparent. Indeed, we are still living in something of a fool's paradise. One of the most extraordinary phenomena of the last 100 years has been the relentless fall in the cost of feeding ourselves.
Globally, food is still cheap: but new data from the World Bank shows that it may not remain that way for long. A combination of factors -- not all related to simple supply and demand -- has seen basic prices for crops including wheat, soya and maize rise by tens of percentage points. Some foods are a third dearer in real terms than they were five years ago; after two decades of almost laughably cheap food, shoppers are starting to feel the pinch.
In the rich world, it takes a while for food-price inflation to have an effect. But in poorer regions even modest rises can have massive consequences: it was a spike in the price of bread as much as political dissent that sparked the Arab Spring.
Is disaster inevitable? Ever since the days of Thomas Malthus, who famously predicted in the 18th Century that population increases would far outstrip gains in food production, those who have foreseen global famine have been proved relentlessly wrong. As the world's population has doubled and almost redoubled (in 1900 there were about 1.7 billion people alive; this now stands at a little over seven bn), the era of mass starvation has stubbornly failed to arrive.
Today, the global population is rising by 1pc a year and by 2060, even the most optimistic predictions see it peaking at 10 bn. ]That is a problem because nearly all the land that can be used to grow food is now being used for just that.
How have we got away with it so far? Shortly after Malthus made his grim prediction, we saw the first Agricultural Revolution. New varieties of crops, crop rotation and mechanisation saw yields soar. Hunger was also averted by the development of a global food trade, spurred by the advent of steam ships and refrigeration.
Still, the population kept rising -- but along came a saviour in the form of Norman Borlaug, one of the most important humans ever to have lived. This American food scientist, saved billions and yet relatively few of us have heard of him. In the 1960s, he bred new varieties of wheat and rice and other crops, a breakthrough now called the Green Revolution. If it hadn't been for him, then Asia and perhaps South America would have suffered serious famine in the 1970s.
Now we are reaching the limits of the Green Revolution. As China, India and Brazil get rich, they want to consume far more meat. That is terrible news for food prices and the environment alike. More demand for beef does not just mean that the price of steak goes up. It also pushes up the price of bread. Crops grown to feed people directly currently take up just 4pc of the Earth's available land surface; but crops to feed cattle, sheep, pigs and chickens account for 30pc.
Next, there is the effect of the climate. A devastating heatwave this summer has reduced crop yields in the US by 30pc in some states. Maize and grain prices jumped by $100 a tonne as a result.
If the extraordinary heatwave that hit Moscow in 2010 had been centred on Chicago, America's 400m-ton grain crop would have been reduced to 240 million -- a huge dent in the global food supply. We cannot necessarily blame the outbreak of heatwaves on climate change - but most climatologists agree that such events, particularly in the food-producing heartlands of America and Asia, will become more common over the next 80 years as temperatures rise by an average 3C.
Then there is the biofuel disaster. In a classic instance of the law of unintended consequences, America's drive to reduce oil dependency and cut carbon emissions has led to huge amounts of farmland being given over to growing crops for petrol rather than human or animal feed.
Last year, 120 million tons of corn was turned into gasoline -- which in turn drove up the price of all kinds of food. And most scientists agree that in terms of CO2 emissions, their production is actually "dirtier" than using conventional fossil fuels.
Finally, there is speculation. About 80pc of the global food trade is now speculative, and firms such as Goldman Sachs, Merrill Lynch, Deutsche Bank have spent billions gambling on the price of food, artificially driving up prices.
With all of these factors pushing up prices, how can we avoid a price crunch -- or even famine? First, we could try to push down the number of mouths to feed. But that isn't going to happen. Even if fertility rates in Africa and Asia plummeted to European levels tomorrow, there is enough inertia in the demographic engine to ensure that we will have billions more people to feed.
Alternatively, we could go veggie. If we cut meat consumption by half, that would release an area of farmland bigger than the US. But that won't happen either.
In the end, if the storm is to be averted, we are probably going to have to turn to technology again. That is the main reason why opposition to GM crop research is rapidly starting to look inhumane.
Few people realise that transgenic varieties of common staples, such as Golden Rice (a GM variety rich in vitamin A) and new strains of fungal-resistant wheat are either ready to use or nearly so. The only reason we are not seeing a GM revolution is the persistent opposition by environmental groups.
There may be other advances on the way. In California, Professor Patrick Brown, a molecular biologist at Stanford University, is developing a way to turn plant tissue into fake meat. In the Netherlands, scientists are working on a way to grow real meat in a vat. These are early days, but if these technologies can be made to work there is the whiff of a new revolution in the air.
Twice before, our species has been saved from starvation by science. But as we move towards a planet of eight billion people, we are in uncharted territory. Let's hope a new Norman Borlaug is waiting in the wings. (© Daily Telegraph, London)
Irish Independent
Luis De Stefano Beltrán, Ph.D.
Universidad Peruana Cayetano Heredia
Av Honorio Delgado 430
Lima 31, Perú
E-mail: luis.destefano@upch.pe
Skype: ludes1982
Twitter: @LuisDeStefano
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